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Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!

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Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 18:02:49
Напротив,Global,има,и то спечелено в полза на агенцията.По бързата процедура.Въпрос е на изпипване на договора.Скоро имахме и един случай с продавач,който не можа да си продаде апартамента,точно,защото имаше подаден иск от агенция,с която е бил в договорни отношения.Такива ми ти работи. spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 18:06:44
Ами, ако нарушиш договора си с АНИ, може да те съди и вместо да платиш само комисионната, ще си платиш и съдебните разноски, плюс неустойки и т.н.

И не се надявай на това, че няма да те съди. Не знам кой и кого е осъдил, но аз лично без адвокат заведох първото си такова дело през 1993 г и го спечелих. Делото продължи точно 7 минути.

Така, че ако искаш пробвай! А и още един съвет- не вярвай на всичко, което пише във вестниците! Съдебната система и нейната работа имам предвид. winking smiley
Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 18:08:35
Тинки Уинки Написал:
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> Продавача те е наел да показваш жилището му.
> От моя гледна точка ти представляваш интересите на
> отсрещната страна. Нито искам да си до мен на
> изповядването на сделката нито където и да е. Не
> ми пробутвай неща които не съм искал от тебе.

Е, щом за теб "отсрещната страна" е врагът, с когото трябва да се надлъгваш, то тогава логиката ти е вярна.


Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 18:08:48
Ето един конкретен случай.
Би ли ми обяснил, освен че собственикът има запор върху имота, какви други санкции е получил от съда?
Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 18:18:43
другата страна Написал:
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> Ами, ако нарушиш договора си с АНИ, може да те
> съди и вместо да платиш само комисионната, ще си
> платиш и съдебните разноски, плюс неустойки и
> т.н.

Ами това толкова логично, само че кой го прави?

> И не се надявай на това, че няма да те съди. Не
> знам кой и кого е осъдил, но аз лично без адвокат
> заведох първото си такова дело през 1993 г и го
> спечелих. Делото продължи точно 7 минути.
>

Ето и друг конкретен случай. Би ли обяснил, какви санкции понесе неизрядната страна. И друго: за неустойките, заедно с това ли дело ги спечели, или отделно? И за 7 минути?


> Така, че ако искаш пробвай! А и още един съвет- не
> вярвай на всичко, което пише във вестниците!
> Съдебната система и нейната работа имам предвид.

Със съдебната система си имам повече работа, отколкото можеш да допуснеш. Не вярвам на вестниците, и ако си чела други мои постинги, ще се убедиш, че е така.
Впечатленията ми са лични.




Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 18:21:33
Не мога да кажа.Ние бяхме от страна на евентуалния купувач,и след като разбрахме за този проблем,се оттеглихме.Нямам представа,какво е включвал договора му с другата агенция.
Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 22:46:54
global Написал:
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> другата страна Написал:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ами, ако нарушиш договора си с АНИ, може да
> те
> > съди и вместо да платиш само комисионната, ще
> си
> > платиш и съдебните разноски, плюс неустойки
> и
> > т.н.
>
> Ами това толкова логично, само че кой го прави?
>
> > И не се надявай на това, че няма да те съди.
> Не
> > знам кой и кого е осъдил, но аз лично без
> адвокат
> > заведох първото си такова дело през 1993 г и
> го
> > спечелих. Делото продължи точно 7 минути.
> >
>
> Ето и друг конкретен случай. Би ли обяснил, какви
> санкции понесе неизрядната страна. И друго: за
> неустойките, заедно с това ли дело ги спечели, или
> отделно? И за 7 минути?
>
>
> > Така, че ако искаш пробвай! А и още един
> съвет- не
> > вярвай на всичко, което пише във вестниците!
> > Съдебната система и нейната работа имам
> предвид.
>
> Със съдебната система си имам повече работа,
> отколкото можеш да допуснеш. Не вярвам на
> вестниците, и ако си чела други мои постинги, ще
> се убедиш, че е така.
> Впечатленията ми са лични.
>
>
>
>
>


Платиха си и двамата- и продавачът, и купувачът- комисионните, неустойките за забава и съдебните разноски. Ами да- точно 7 минути продължи делото. Когато документите са наред няма как да се влачи.

А за съдебната система, какво да ти кажа? Да не би пък нещо в адвокатите ти да не е наред, м? Опитай с други. Аз лично имам отлични впечатления от съдебната система. Е, вярно е, че знам какво да очаквам и не виня системата, когато противниковата страна обжалва или се чуди как да отлага дела, ама то е въпрос на правна култура все пак. smiling smiley



Редактиран 1 път(и).Последна редакция на 2007-06-19 22:48 от другата страна.
Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 22:47:36

До продава4
Продавач,ако бях брокер 6тиах да пиша точно като теб.Ама не съм и затова пиша по този начин!!!


Понеже не улеснява я ми кажи знаеш ли от тези над 200 000 оферти в имоти.нет колко от тях са от частни лица???

Продавач,всичките са начастни лица защото ти и колегите ти брокери не продавате абсолютно нищо!!!!!Така че отговора е 100%.




Именно това е причината да не си наясно и да се изказваш толкова неподготвен. Хайде обоснови се да видим - аз ще се обоснова по-късно. А само така по между другото ще ти кажа, че 99% от измамите с имоти стават без агенция - с хора наивници.

Би ли казал от къде ти е статистиката???Аз мисля че е точно обратното!!!Повечето измами стават ако ползваш агенция.Нали ти лично каза че 70% са некоректни и некадърни!!!!Ако си наивник с или без агенция пак ще те измамят,само че ако си с агенция е доста по вероятно.Но можеш да си сигуренче повечето хора дето не позват агенции го правят точно защото не са НАИВНИЦИ!!!!!


ще се върна пак към историята ти с рестораната!
Казваш че пак ще ходиш по ресторанти защото не можеш да си сготвиш сам мексиканска кухня!
Според мен всеки може да си сготви стига да не е :crazy: !
Причината да ходиш по ресторанти е че ти е по лесно и по евтино!!!Там си платил 11,99 .Ако решиш сам да си готвиш ще загубиш време да пазаруваш,да четеш готварски книги,да готвиш!Не си струва при условие че това ще ти отнеме да кажем 3 часа.За3 часа ти можеш да изкараш 300 лв като брокер.Мисля че е ясно защо ходиш по ресторанти.


Сега да ти кажа защо няма да отида в магазина ти.
Пример: Искам да продам или купя имот.Ако мина през агенция ще платя 5-6%.Това е разликата м/у цената на продавача и купувача-да кажем 3000 еуро.Мойта заплата обаче не е като на брокер,аз работя за 250 еуро.При това положение излиза че трябва да работя 1 година само да си платя комисиона .И това е ако не похарча и стотинка от заплатите си!
Скъпо ми се вижда!Това което ти ще направиш за 3000 аз мога да го направй за 100 и ще го направя по добре.Не е нужно да си извънземен да си пуснеш обяви във вестниците и в интернет,да говориш по телефона,да си организираш консултация с адвокат ако нещо не разбираш,да се наредиш на 1,2 опашки,да си покажеш имота по по добър начин от всеки брокер(нали все пак е твоя имот).Ако 3000 еуро бяха за мен както са 11,99 за теб може би 6тиах да ти се обадя.Но дори и в този случай не вярвам да си струва и ако прочетеш тук там из форума -доста е писано по този въпрос.Проблема идва от това че твоя интерес е да си вземеш комисиона и без да ти мигне окото ще нарушиш моя интерес за да постигнеш своя.
Ама темата тук е друга,та спирам!

smiling smiley


Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 22:51:52
Do prodava4,
Prodava4,eto ti malko 4etivo za razmisal!

Senator Shane Ross' Submission to the Commission on Auctioneering
In my many years in public life there are two areas of complaint which stand out: the malpractices of bankers and abuses by auctioneers. Auctioneers are the target of so many criticisms that I shall list them in order of apparent importance.

Entry to the club
Auctioneering is not a profession, although auctioneers like to brand themselves as belonging to one. Selling houses is an activity open to anyone who can put up a bond of ?12,700 and convince the District Court of their bona fides. I have yet to discover anyone who has been refused a licence.
I have never heard of anyone being asked by the District Court what other qualifications they possess to launch them into the world of the auctioneer.
Once they have produced the ?12,700 they can practise.

Auctioneers handling money
Auctioneers who have been given a licence are allowed to handle money. There is absolutely no reason why an auctioneer should handle money at all.

Booking deposits
Auctioneers regularly take booking deposits from purchasers of properties in a private treaty sale. These booking deposits have no legal standing whatsoever. Yet many purchasers believe that they give them the right to purchase the property.
Auctioneers use the booking deposit device to secure their commission. They say they are holding the booking deposit on behalf of the vendor, but in effect they never release the money, simply holding onto it as part (or all) of what they regard as their commission. This is a dubious practice.
I know of at least one case where the auctioneer took a large sum (?50,000) as a “booking deposit” from the purchaser without any such instructions from the vendor. When the vendor told him to hand it back there was a difficult dispute.
Booking deposits “book” nothing for a customer. They can be cancelled at the whim of the seller. The buyer has no redress.

Auctioneers acting as so called “independent” financial or mortgage advisers
There is a clear conflict of interest here. Auctioneers selling a property regularly act as financial intermediaries, simultaneously arranging loans for the buyer. This situation means that the selling auctioneer could know exactly how much the buyer has borrowed to purchase the property.
The two conflicts are: firstly, the obvious advantage the selling agent has over the buyer when he knows the financial strength of the buyer. His subsidiary has arranged the loan. He could easily be tempted to push the price of a property right up to the level of the loan in the knowledge that the buyer has been promised finance up to this amount.
The second conflict of interest is worse. Auctioneers are deeply conflicted where they have arranged loans in a private treaty sale. It is in their interest to ensure that the bidder who has borrowed the money through their “independent” mortgage company is also the ultimate buyer. The auctioneer will be given a commission for arranging the loan. So it is in the auctioneers’ interest that the client of their financial subsidiary, not the client borrowing elsewhere (or not borrowing at all) is the ultimate buyer. In other words the auctioneer will gain commission on both sides of the deal, a very dangerous situation.
I see no reason why auctioneers should ever handle clients’ money. Their practice of doing this is obviously open to abuse.
They should not be allowed to raise funds for buyers. This activity is mostly practised by the big firms, despite their being members of the IAVI.

Guide Prices
The Commission will be aware of the guide price controversy. I regard guide prices as blatantly misleading advertising on a colossal scale.
Guide prices of properties are almost invariably BELOW the final sale price. Now why is that?
Auctioneers call themselves “valuers”. Yet their advertised valuations are uncannily nearly always below the final price. This is the price they proclaim to the public or potential buyers.
They tell their selling clients a totally different, much higher, price. Anyone who has sold a property will tell you that the auctioneer has advised them to put in a low guide price to titillate the buying public. This trick will fill the auction rooms; it sometimes embarrasses them a bit when the guide price is so far below the reserve that their valuation looks absurd, but they can usually provide an implausible excuse usually blaming their client’s greed.
The IAVI maintains that it has told members to keep the guide price within 10% of the reserve. So many cases exist of properties being withdrawn at more than 10% above the guide that this rule seems to have been ignored.
A question to the IAVI revealed that there were no cases of disciplinary action being taken against any of its members for breaking this rule. Unless the Commission forbids guide prices and introduces a less misleading way of putting valuations on houses the buying public will continue to be victims of this sharp practice.

The Commission could suggest a total ban on guide prices.
The Commission could suggest that auctioneers should declare the reserve a week before the auction.
The Commission could suggest that auctioneers must stand behind their guide prices. The properties MUST be put “on the market” at a price within 10% of the guide price.
The misleading prices have given auctioneers a bad reputation. Not just as hopeless valuers, but as dishonest practitioners. I believe this charge has justification.

Surveys
Young people and others feel compelled to employ a surveyor on the basis of the guide price. Some buyers are forced to survey up to a dozen houses before they are finally successful purchasers. This could cost them up to ?5000, or even more, in the case of expensive surveyors. The entire property industry has a responsibility here.
I suggest that the vendor of all houses with a guide price should be compelled to commission a survey on the house. This should be made available to all potential purchasers. The surveyor would be liable to the final purchaser who would pay for it. All the disappointed bidders would have incurred no expense.
On a recent radio programme I heard a member of the Commission, Mr Alan Cooke, suggest that the total surveyor’s fee of, say, ?2000, was small in proportion to the ?1m average price of a house sold at auction. Such a suggestion is preposterous. ?2000 is a huge sum for any buyer, especially those who have already incurred solicitors’ and auctioneers’ fees and are up to their neck in mortgage debt.

Sealed Bids
I have come across several frightening cases of auctioneers’ peculiar behaviour in relation to sealed bids. This is the practice of at least one leading member firm of the IAVI.
Sealed bids are a highly dubious practice.
Two years ago I had personal experience of a sealed bid sale. Bidding was apparently going up and up in a private treaty sale. Finally, the auctioneer put the sale to sealed bids. The party of my acquaintance asked to be present at the opening of the bids.
He was refused. He asked if his solicitor could attend. His solicitor was refused.
The bids were opened ONLY in the presence of the auctioneer.
The lower bid won the day! The auctioneer expressed embarrassment but insisted that this was the seller’s wish.

Commissions
Auctioneers have been massive beneficiaries of the property boom. Their commissions are still based on a percentage of the sale price. Yet their workload has hardly increased.
There is anecdotal evidence that auctioneers are running a cartel on commission. Why is it nearly impossible to employ an auctioneer at a level of less than 0.9% whatever the value of the property sale?
If, as the IAVI chief maintains, the average price of a house at auction is now ?1m, the auctioneer will reap a reward of ?15,000 for the same average sale (taking a commission of 1.5%).
This is not bad pay for a three-week campaign involving maybe six public viewings, the preparation of a brochure and the placing of advertising – plus conducting the auction.
Auctioneers have earned huge sums of money for relatively little work. Perhaps they should be compelled to produce time sheets, listing the amount of time spent on work, the amount charged per hour etc. If they are a “profession”, perhaps they should charge “professional” fees subject to independent (not IAVI or IPAV) approval.

Self Regulation
Auctioneers and valuers are self-regulating. Traditionally there have been large numbers of auctioneers in the Dail and the Seanad.
Today there are fewer of them in the Dail than in the past. But there are no less than seven (12%) in the Seanad ( out of a total of sixty members), so they remain a strong, well-placed lobby group.
They have enjoyed a charmed life with very little legislation on the statute books to police their activities.
Self regulation has failed. The trend is against it in the legal, accountancy and medical professions. The number of abuses allowed to continue in the property sector is clear evidence that the IAVI and IPAV have not been overconcerned to protect the buying public from malpractices but have, instead, been slow to act.
On several occasions I have asked people with grievances whether they have complained to the various auctioneering bodies. On nearly all occasions I have received the same reply, that it is pointless.
In my experience the public has no confidence whatsoever in these bodies. They may do very well for their members’ financial interests. They may too have been highly successful in protecting their members practices, but their standing is low in the minds of their customers.
Auctioneers need to be policed and regulated by an “oversight body” ,much in the way that accountants are. The regulating body should be clearly independent. There is no need for such a body to contain any practitioners who sell houses as this would compromise the body’s independence.

Gazumping
I believe that this issue has been adequately addressed by other parties.

Oral Submission
I would be grateful if the Commission was to give me the opportunity to make an oral submission along the above lines in a public, open forum .

Independent Senator Shane Ross.



Re: Време е за такса ОГЛЕДИ колеги!!!
19-06-2007 - 22:55:06
DO prodava4 i drugite brokeri tuk-O6te malko 4etivo--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sherry Fitzgerald's increase in fees
Posted on May 31, 2007 Email To Friend Print Version



There is a quiet revolution happening in the property sales industry, due in no small part to announcements like that of Sherry Fitzgerald.

My comment on the increase in fees and a suggestion to auctioneers for a more consumer friendly alternative

For the past decade agents have depended on the accumulation model ie that their main goal was to simply get properties on their books. That was the hard part done as the properties would and have sold themselves in the majority of cases over the last decade. That model just won’t work anymore. To counter falling profit margins Sherry Fitzgerald are leading the way for other auctioneers by increasing the commission for their service.

Their focus on fees to boost their profit margins is not only anti-consumer but fails to be cognisant of the fact that the way they deliver their service must change in order to sell properties in a slower market. The better alternative would be to focus, not on accumulating properties but, on marketing and selling those properties, they already have on their books. This focus on marketing properties rather than on accumulating them would boost their profit margins while providing a better albeit still over-remunerated service for their clients

Sherry Fiztgerald’s gross profit grew from 11million in 2004 to 19million in 2005. However, their operating costs have also increased. By opting to increase their fees they are effectively saying to clients, “we’re not willing to lose our previous profit margins so you have to pay to sustain it”. This is arrogant, presumptive thinking and all agents should be warned that consumers will continue to vote with their feet and opt to sell privately. How they profit even when they don’t sell

Almost all profit even where they fail to sell a property for a client. They enjoy significant discounts with newspapers to advertise properties but charge the advertising at a premium to the client. ( We also enjoy discounts but pass them onto the seller. Why? Because the advertisement advertises our service also).

It also seems that many of the auctioneers profit from the client listing on myhome.ie. Many of our clients report a wide variation in the cost of listing through their agent on myhome.ie. This really isn’t in the public domain.

Again, where the agents fail to sell their clients property they include a charge for the board which doesn’t reflect any fees we are charged for boards by any supplier. These charges can add up to a significant sum for clients whose properties they have failed to sell.

It is not unusual for a disappointed client to be charged ?1,000.00 plus where the agent has failed to sell their property.


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